Yeah, this topic is very touchy for many pagans. I know some pagans who already thinks the stars and planets fall into specific domains governed by our Gods. They cite various sources to prove this, usually including the Nebra Sky Disc for example so you can see how dubious I take their claims.
However, I personally agree with you. To give a similar albiet more earthly analogue, we have Columbia, the fruitful lady we associated with this cornucopic land and our purpose here as colonists manifesting our destiny. She deserves to be honored more often. I know some pagans who have done blots to her. In a way, she is like our Danu, a goddess we name the land after. There are many places named after Columbia, and she deserves to be recognized by Americans, IMO.
This would be seen as "making shit up" by many people. I find it consistent with my religion though.
You know I really did try to make a "Gods of America" post on them for the 4th, such as Columbia and the since-deified Washington, but I got drunk and slept for 18hr and forgot about it. By then it was the 4th already
I imagine the New Gods will be shaped primarily by the mode of transport we use to traverse the stars.
If we’re put into cryo-sleep until we reach our destination, there might not be any new Gods until after we’ve settled a new planet for a few generations.
If zygotes are frozen, then thawed and allowed to gestate 18 years and 9 months before arrival, the Gods may be imagined as stewards or mothers.
If we reach our destinations in mere minutes via warp drive, the ruler of the New Gods may be “Alcubierre” instead of Zeus
Etc etc.
Very fascinating to think about. I also wonder what species we’ll evolve into as we settle different planets, and if spacejews will force Martians to open their borders to Veniggers and Merxicans?
I don’t worry about it. As far as I see it, the Gods of Indo-Europeans were preparing us for this step. Everything, including technology, were meant for us to master so that we can seed life and fire on the million worlds, and to extends the dominion of our fathers’ holy fire into the unknown.
For whatever reason I couldn’t reply to your comments and posts earlier. Idk whats going on with that.
But for the most part I’m not sure what “new” gods there would be. What contexts that are new would need to be mapped?
You mention space here but we see deities associated with space and the Abyss in the Vedas and Greek religion. Vishnu, especially Krishna as Brahman is linked with space. Krishna meaning “black”, refers to the Nirguna or formless aspect of Brahman. Nyx is a God of the night. Astraeus, while being a Titan, was an astrological god of stars. Asteria is a Titanness of fallen stars and nocturnal oracles, etc. Solar deities such as Apollo and Helios also satisfy as cosmological or astronomical gods, but you mentioned these.
What new domains outside of space do you think necessitates “new” gods?
They could be "new" in the most literal sense, or they could be closer to "reinterpretations", as has already been done across the world as peoples move into new areas and eventually become new peoples, and the names, qualities, and positions of gods shuffle around. I leave this open because I don't know the full extent and quality of what's out there. I doubt people would think of anything except Zeus if they were subjected to the lightning storms on Jupiter, but something like a wormhole or black hole seems fundamentally different from what we have on Earth.
I’d feel like a god could only represent sublime phenomena or elemental ones. Which is highly limited. I think that any entropic god would be associated with something like blackholes. Such as Shiva, as we see in the Vedas that Vishnu transforms into Shiva and stomps the universe into disorganized potential at the end of Brahmas life, in the Maha-Pralaya. Which seems to be somewhat similar to heat death or resemblant of the blackhole phenomena. We could depict Saturn or Cronus covering this too, as they’re gods of chaos, time and entropy as well. I’d think that making deities for incredibly specific or emergent phenomena would make it somewhat silly. Like, a god of space ships, nuclear energy, or something like the internet. To me this seems rather dull and needless.
I thought he consumes the Olympians. He was a second generation titan, and as I understand the theogony, they were all chthonic beings as opposed to the Olympians who were mostly solar.
Time consumes the earth, the sea, and the sky (hearth, harvest, and others as well). How it is typically presented at least. Likely similarities in theme to Kala in the Gita, "Time (kāla) I am, the great destroyer of the worlds, and I have come here to destroy all people."
Yeah, this topic is very touchy for many pagans. I know some pagans who already thinks the stars and planets fall into specific domains governed by our Gods. They cite various sources to prove this, usually including the Nebra Sky Disc for example so you can see how dubious I take their claims.
However, I personally agree with you. To give a similar albiet more earthly analogue, we have Columbia, the fruitful lady we associated with this cornucopic land and our purpose here as colonists manifesting our destiny. She deserves to be honored more often. I know some pagans who have done blots to her. In a way, she is like our Danu, a goddess we name the land after. There are many places named after Columbia, and she deserves to be recognized by Americans, IMO.
This would be seen as "making shit up" by many people. I find it consistent with my religion though.
You know I really did try to make a "Gods of America" post on them for the 4th, such as Columbia and the since-deified Washington, but I got drunk and slept for 18hr and forgot about it. By then it was the 4th already
Washington is deified in your eyes? I would say he is definitely attaining an uber-legendary status, but I am unsure if this means deification.
In the sense of Augustus at least
I imagine the New Gods will be shaped primarily by the mode of transport we use to traverse the stars.
If we’re put into cryo-sleep until we reach our destination, there might not be any new Gods until after we’ve settled a new planet for a few generations.
If zygotes are frozen, then thawed and allowed to gestate 18 years and 9 months before arrival, the Gods may be imagined as stewards or mothers.
If we reach our destinations in mere minutes via warp drive, the ruler of the New Gods may be “Alcubierre” instead of Zeus
Etc etc.
Very fascinating to think about. I also wonder what species we’ll evolve into as we settle different planets, and if spacejews will force Martians to open their borders to Veniggers and Merxicans?
Space Filipinos worshipping the goonmother in their cryogenic dreams
A very fine piece of writing & a great selection of beautiful photographs.
I gave it a heart just for the lightning pic
I don’t worry about it. As far as I see it, the Gods of Indo-Europeans were preparing us for this step. Everything, including technology, were meant for us to master so that we can seed life and fire on the million worlds, and to extends the dominion of our fathers’ holy fire into the unknown.
I like this view
For whatever reason I couldn’t reply to your comments and posts earlier. Idk whats going on with that.
But for the most part I’m not sure what “new” gods there would be. What contexts that are new would need to be mapped?
You mention space here but we see deities associated with space and the Abyss in the Vedas and Greek religion. Vishnu, especially Krishna as Brahman is linked with space. Krishna meaning “black”, refers to the Nirguna or formless aspect of Brahman. Nyx is a God of the night. Astraeus, while being a Titan, was an astrological god of stars. Asteria is a Titanness of fallen stars and nocturnal oracles, etc. Solar deities such as Apollo and Helios also satisfy as cosmological or astronomical gods, but you mentioned these.
What new domains outside of space do you think necessitates “new” gods?
They could be "new" in the most literal sense, or they could be closer to "reinterpretations", as has already been done across the world as peoples move into new areas and eventually become new peoples, and the names, qualities, and positions of gods shuffle around. I leave this open because I don't know the full extent and quality of what's out there. I doubt people would think of anything except Zeus if they were subjected to the lightning storms on Jupiter, but something like a wormhole or black hole seems fundamentally different from what we have on Earth.
I’d feel like a god could only represent sublime phenomena or elemental ones. Which is highly limited. I think that any entropic god would be associated with something like blackholes. Such as Shiva, as we see in the Vedas that Vishnu transforms into Shiva and stomps the universe into disorganized potential at the end of Brahmas life, in the Maha-Pralaya. Which seems to be somewhat similar to heat death or resemblant of the blackhole phenomena. We could depict Saturn or Cronus covering this too, as they’re gods of chaos, time and entropy as well. I’d think that making deities for incredibly specific or emergent phenomena would make it somewhat silly. Like, a god of space ships, nuclear energy, or something like the internet. To me this seems rather dull and needless.
Chronos would make a lot of sense, given the myth of him consuming the gods of "matter" as well
I thought he consumes the Olympians. He was a second generation titan, and as I understand the theogony, they were all chthonic beings as opposed to the Olympians who were mostly solar.
Time consumes the earth, the sea, and the sky (hearth, harvest, and others as well). How it is typically presented at least. Likely similarities in theme to Kala in the Gita, "Time (kāla) I am, the great destroyer of the worlds, and I have come here to destroy all people."