If you are going to invite people to move somewhere, you really need some sort of established powerbase in the target location. ideally someone in the justice system, like a higher ranking police officer, or someone in the DA's office, or even a judge if you're lucky. It's really just silly to think people will move somewhere because if they ALL move there everything will be good. Prisoner's Dilemma is not exactly esoteric knowledge.
There are a growing number of intelligent people who understand this. The days of “we can do everything by our selves through sheer brute force” being the prevailing RW game-plan are coming to an end.
This whole history with NWF is kind of a reaffirmation of why I gave up on big-tent, race-orientated solutions.
The comparisons the NWTI writers make of themselves to the Pilgrim Fathers are most amusing to me. They were all NW Euros of course, but they also absolutely were unified on questions of doctrine and the kind of government they wanted. They knew all of that before the Mayflower was ever chartered. They were a generational product of a specific theology and a centuries-long concoction of genetics and historical forces. You cannot possibly hope to just recreate that in random people who only agree on, "I don't like living around non-Whites."
My plan is based around my family and my church - as in the one I actually attend, not some Federal Vision nonsense or even an institution. You have to start somewhere and it baffles me that Neo-Nazis can't look at the historical example of Uncle and all his friends and realize that violently forcing people to change into something they don't want to be, literally, never works. Human beings will as a rule do anything before they let themselves be bossed around, especially Northwestern Europeans.
I know some people are going to soyrage over "deradicalize" because they think it means throwing away your beliefs, but the purpose of NS was never to be the most radical. If you want to be the most radical, stop showering and become a black schizophrenic fentanyl addict, you can't get more radical than that. If your goal is instead to save your country no matter what, then you are going to have to start liking some of your countryman. Liking people is genuinely hard, because of how far gone most people are and on some level I still want the apocalypse option, but with zero signs of a civil war brewing in our life time (at least on true pro-white grounds) I think we have no choice but to get away from the violent retard image the purity spiraling right has been cultivating. I saw some groyper shot his parents in Wisconsin because he was going to try to kill Trump and "save the white race" how do you save the white race by killing 3 white people?
There's a difference between being, "principled," and being a, "radical." A lot of these young guys just have the distinction wrong because they're too young to mature or haven't lived a life much beyond their computers.
To be clear you don't support hard hitting Aryans blowing up shopping malls full of mudsharks? You're fucking Jewish man. Only Jews wouldn't be cool with that
Neat swing and a miss there Fedboi Glownigger; but you know just as well as I do the only thing I want is for you fed-faggots to get me a ticket to Jerusalem so I can force Israel to Launch The Samson Option Early.
Lol, Nigger you read @Second City Bureaucrat, along with Costin himself; you’re a fucking BAPist and you know that this shooter was conned into it by your Palantiri Thiel-Faggot Groupchats on Elon’s Website.
Death To The Media Marketeers! Death To The Palantiri!
Oh lmao you were being serious ok well I've listened to ~120 episodes of Caribbean Rythms and BAP has never once told me to kill my parents or Trump, so maybe it was something else?
For an ideology so taboo as National Socialism, it was pretty much impossible in the pre-internet era for a movement centered around it to result in anything but disaster. The amount of lumpens outweighs the amount of intellectually curious dissidents enough for the former to comprise the bulk of self-identifying Nazis. They are interested in it because they're disagreeable and misanthropic, but most of them would have a hard time even giving you a consistent definition of National Socialism that doesn't float off into vibe-world. An ethnostate of these "Wignats" would possibly be as dysfunctional as Black Africa, not because of the failures of Nazism but because of the lack of human capital. But people would interpret it as the product of Ideology.
I think today, with the internet, it is less of a problem. Nazis went from being seen as blond beasts with thick accents and combovers, to tatted up meth-addicted prison skinheads, to edgy teenagers. People are easier exposed to taboo information on the internet. There's still a lumpen element in the radical scene, but most people come into the far-right because they got "redpilled". But this is both a blessing and a curse, because the online right-wing space has basically taken that position of fantasy world that hypothetical post-apocalyptic ethnostates. Social media is basically an MMORPG at this point. Being racist online is a way a lot of guys like to wind down and relax after a long day at school or at the office. It allows for a lot more well-adjusted people to participate in far-right movements but makes real-world action less likely. You don't have to have nothing to lose anymore to get involved in these movements, you just have to be willing to live a bit of a double life.
Exactly, most of these people don't know what historic National Socialism really was or is. They also would not enjoy living in such a state if they weren't an officer in the SS - even though they probably don't even meet the requirements to join, much less obtain rank. It's always amusing to me to see all these guys' PfPs are never some random German guy on the street in Berlin - it's always Rommel.
It also just absolutely stuns me that GLR and his types not only thought he could succeed but somehow didn't get murdered sooner. "I'm an American Nationalist guys I swear, wearing the uniform of the guys who just got done trying to kill all of us after declaring war on us actually makes me even MORE patriotic than your dads, brothers and friends who got killed in Operation Overlord!"
I only partly agree, but this is a great article and deserves to be seen. Of course, the Will Martins will hate it, but I understand the underlying message here.
No, it's because I understand the nine noble virtues, unlike most modern Whites who are more like yourself, just not jew aware. Lazy, depressive, and useless to everyone. Can't have a family, can't work in an organization, and struggles to live virtuously.
You'd get destroyed, Will. You are barely even a martin, with all your naysaying. Be more realistic, and have some hope in yourself and your ancestors. You need to stop being so scared of the demiurge.
Great article. I have long been skeptical of the PNW movement, mainly because of what you said. They’re always talking about “the future”. Well, it is the future. It’s 2025, and they can’t even break even on migration numbers with non-whites on their home turf. When you point this out, there’s always a reflexive shart over “not doing anything to help”.
Question: You’re talking about (realistically) organizing: knocking on doors, being visible, presenting an acceptable public image. For the captured parts of the USG, isn’t this exactly what they want? They’re built to fight enemies that hold still long enough to be punched. Isn’t buying real estate and participating in local politics identifying yourself as the next punching bag? The PNW-types are rightly phobic of everything they do getting subverted by informants. Watdo?
Unless we enter an era that is entertained but unsuccessfully ushered by Trump/associates where the sum of the post-war institutions are wholly abolished, then political movement has to work within and upwards through these institutions. Safety from "the man" is far more likely within them. This is probably the most direct argument for internal nudging over revolutionary action
I'm directly involved in political activity. My racial opinions are known. I've never been treated the way the NWF guys say you will be. Maybe it's something they're doing - no no no, it's definitely ZOG.
The real trick is actually being acceptable and contributing to society positively, which frankly you can't find any of the Covington types who have ever done this. They're too good for actual public service work.
“Please be more judicious with your lives, and avoid the mistakes of priors.”
Okay but why would a failed playbook from decades ago not work in the modern day with an all encompassing security state and a more liberal population?
"I am so smart and right wing guyz, we can't have purity spiraling even though it's worked splendidly for the left (minus this election) and the lack of it in the republican party has led to it's total bastardization." NW was retarded as no one is going to move somewhere to be poorer. Idk if Covington was all that as a writer, apart from you no one talks about him now, if he had any skills there'd probably be some sort of lasting legacy.
You can't be serious praising JD "I love fags, Israel, profited off my White trash family, hired Indian drug peddlers to rake in money to pretend to help their victims, and am such an Indiaphile I hired foreign slave labor" Vance. Trump is okay, better than Kamala and any of his opponents for sure, but he's steering us towards war with Iran and wants more legal immigrants, in full contradiction of his mandate. He could be held accountable, he does react to public opinion, but in your fake and gay world that's purity spiraling. Thus far he's doing a slightly better job than term one, but making the exact same mistakes as before. Also anyone who follows him is probably going to be trash. I can't wait until you're writing "why the far right must embrace Rubio and responsible endless immigration," because you will. There's no hate for the common man, just the people who abuse their trust, and the middlemen who either due to profits or astronomical retardation want to pretend everything is fine. "People will call me a grifter or a Jew!!1" Then stop acting like those things? You can't pretend to be far right while complaining about the far right and praising MIGA at the same time. You can maybe do one at a time, but to do both makes people thinking you're a grifter understandable. You can't complain about nuking the Pentagon in a fictional story without people reasonably thinking you're Jewish.
Purity spiraling isn't merely a broad category of a pressuring or criticism of ideological peers, as stated in the article, this is just politics, and normal to the formulation of any group or ideology. Again, as stated in the article, it is a specific type of social dynamic involving moral outbidding, where a contest of indicating oneself as the "most pure" is the object of concern.
Let's look at you specifically for a good example of the difference. In normal politics or "pressuring", the parties involved remain cohesive, structuring itself internally in the search of a number of pathways to achieve the desired goal. When purity spiraling occurs, we get you: "JD Vance Indian wife. I'm out. Youre Jewish." You have successfully signaled your moral virtue, and fractured as a result. The only thing accomplished is precisely that object of desire: the assertion of your purity.
And so the rest of the article flows nicely with you as an example. You will inevitably flee to some niche far-right circle, only to find they don't quite have it right either. Either they're too impure, or you not pure enough. Out. Find a new one. Repeat. More anger. More bad experiences. That's it! We need more purity. Repeat. Over and over.
I think you should reread the article again and think about the problems detailed in it before gnashing your teeth and running right into the very brick wall it warns you to avoid.
Again, the left has done it to great success, the right has not to great failure. You openly oppose holding leadership accountable, not the definition you just used.
If you won't set a standard where you say "no, I will not be ruled by someone like JD Vance who hates Whites and opposed MAGA in 2016, who employed the people who abused his own family to make a profit" then you're unimaginably retarded, or indeed a grifter who wants to profit off of the destruction of Whites. Either way you aren't a quarter as clever as you like to think you are.
"Erm read my article again, it'll really make you think about how we should accept people who hate us as leaders, having standards means you want to splinter from ghouls." How can you complain about some niche far right figures being hostile to apathetic normies, when the far right are the ones who have fought the most to bring their issues front and center? How can you then bitch about complaints against MIGA and JD Vance who hates these average people? I don't know why I ask, you'll have some excuse that ignores or justifies what you've written and you'll feel good about yourself for all the midwit writing you do. If it was 2000 you'd complain of Buchanan being a Nazi and that real right wingers needed to vote Bush if they knew what was good for them.
Just because the left "enjoys success" (do they?) despite suffering from purity spiraling does not mean they "have done *it* to great success". In spite of =/= because of, a fallacious leap.
Further, the left doesn't have a fractious form of purity spiraling like the right does. Where right-wingers knock heads and create new movements, left wingers are simply exiled. As a result there is only one type of leftism in the West, but an infinitude of right-wing factions. This is because of one simple thing: the left has control of virtually every institution. You can't "break away" and make new ones, exile is the only option. And so, rather than lose their access to patronage networks and the sort, they simply fall into line. The right has nothing like this.
Never have I advocated for "not holding leadership accountable". For the 3rd time, this falls under normal political activity.
What you are advocating for isn't just "holding Trump accountable", you aren't advocating for "another Buchanan". In fact, thats precisely the type of activity THIS article is advocating for. YOU are advocating for a White separatist state which secures its own destiny through large scale violence. Don't waste my time with bullshit language and motte/baileying.
Is America less White? Is gay marriage legal? Is baby murder normalized? Yes? I'd say their methods have succeeded then.
"Unorthodox leftists are exiled," so they purity spiral. I guess you could say the right does it too by breaking up but then the issue is we do it poorly, not that it's bad in general. After this great victory in 2024 we should be kicking out the fair weather friends, at the very least from positions of power. Not elevating rivals. Further the left survived their purity spirals in the 1960s which amounted more to breaking up rather than kicking people out. Although indeed they survive due to having institutions, the right refusing to narrow the big tent resulted in incomplete victories.
You argued that people couldn't criticize JD Vance, the guy who was anti MAGA in 2016, the guy who would sell his own family, or else it would be purity spiraling. If you're going to complain about criticisms of someone clearly hijacking the MAGA movement then it's laughable to act like you support any accountability.
Cries about logical fallacies, straw mans the fuck out of me. From the very beginning I said I disagreed with the NW plan. Like I said you're about a quarter as intelligent as you think you are. You've bitched about the far right, not Trump, I'm sure you care about holding him accountable. Surely critiquing Covington is more relevant now than Trump and not just empty noise, especially when your alternative to the ineffective Covington is to needlessly accept the unacceptable.
I'll say it again because it perfectly sums you up, you would have called Buchanan a Nazi in 2000 and demanded people voted for Bush. This is so you that to try and deny it would be about as rational as a transgender denying their biological sex.
I never said the left hasn't succeeded at anything. My statement that they have institutional hegemony insinuates exactly otherwise, doesn't it? I explicitly said that their success has little to do with a proposed effective utility of purity spiraling, and further, that their social dynamics are fundamentally different than what the right has or will ever have. It therefore can't serve as a model for a desirable operation of our own social dynamics, if that could even be "switched on" anyways.
Not even reading the rest of your retarded rambling because you're too stupid to even repeat back my position after it's elaborated to you in good faith 3 times.
JK Rowling who hates Whites and men is now a "right wing" icon due to only one side purity spiraling. When your opposition holds your positions, that's a success.
Your position is perfectly summarized as you would have called Buchanan a Nazi and demanded people voted for Bush in 2000. That's it, everything else is window dressing here, that's you at your core.
Your good faith article complaining about an unimportant dead man? Your good faith defense of the sickeningly corrupt JD Vance? Your good faith snide replies and straw manning me? Your good faith block that you couldn't even follow through with? Lmao btw.
You're fake and gay; SUFFAH. Violence is all that works and your cucked out bullshittery only serves the Jews because you take money from the BUTTFAGGOT Peter Thiel.
It would be more believable if you actually were capable of and actively promoting violence, rather than just half-heartedly nudging that it's the only way—but of course we can't go that way, because the federal agents
By the way I am one and if you promote violence to me I will give my contacts at floor 4 of the IDHEC a call and your life will be over
The left hasn’t purity spiraled to “great success”. Democratic party leadership is desperately trying to appear as sensible moderates to oppose Trump while they get lambasted by their radicals for not being hardline pro-palestine, pro-child gender reassignment, etc. This sort of infighting is never good.
I can say for a fact that you would not have voted for Buchanan because he wasn't an avowed National Socialist and doesn't think the WASPs sold out the White Race and actually enjoys America's political philosophy.
Many Federalists were opposed to Republicanism, most notably Hamilton. Washington was described as the first fascist by the Germans which isn't absurd. Germany was as expansionist as early America, if less so.
The US/FDR declared an unrestricted and unprovoked (according to the US navy and senate) naval war on Germany and Italy before Pearl Harbor (and before sending an ultimatum to Japan). The same FDR who argued that Germany declaring a provoked unrestricted naval war against the US was cause for war as defacto secretary of the Navy under Woodrow Wilson. FDR also occupied Greenland which was property of Axis Denmark and couped the Yugoslav government after it joined the Axis, to say nothing of lend lease, all of these are acts of war that Hitler ignored. Once we declared war on Japan he responded since Japan could not possibly hold out alone, even if ultimately not the best decision.
Having standards people have to meet and purity spiraling are not the same thing, don't be disingenuous.
I've been hating Trump and MAGA since the beginning. I knew what he was long before he began to show his hand this last term. But you can't deny it is at least comparatively positive to what we could've gotten instead.
I am once again unblocked by op lol. As described by him they are effectively the same as I recall, where criticism of Vance is somehow unacceptable, maybe I misremember but I don't care to reread this.
I agree though, even if Trump is imperfect he is vastly better to Obama, Clinton, Biden, and Harris.
Here's merely criticizing the constant pessimism of Far Right guys who are perpetually disconnected from on-the-ground political realities. For example, you guys actually think throwing Romans and dressing up as Wehrmacht will get you anything in the United States. You might as well suggest to Hitler that the NSDAP should've adopted Napoleonic French uniforms. Because that's the equivalent to what you guys do but have the gall to describe yourself as, "Nationalists," in any meaningful American context. I'm dead.
Yeah we have a right to be pessimistic about Vance. Lol dear zoomer, this is twice you have accused me of something that you're completely wrong on. I can not begin to tell you how on the ground I am and no duh obviously I'm not strutting in SS gear. Hitler was a better American than FDR and he wasn't an American, this may upset some but it is true.
Do you actually think someone from your camp is ever making it into National Politics? What other option was there, if you still want to engage in the lost cause that is DC? I actually work in politics. I can tell you flatly and I told everyone flatly in 2016, Trump was never going to fix the Fed and, "drain the swamp," because DC is a swamp. The last people that had the right idea about what to do with DC was the Army of Northern Virginia when it was trying to march there with an army. You can't fix it because it's not broken, it's working by design.
It's magical that someone who obviously believes in Blood-and-Soil thinks a German can be a, "better American," than someone who's family are Old Stock. How very Progressive of you.
>Do you honestly think there can be positive change? I work in politics.
>Do you think Trump will fix anything (on a post where I made it clear I don't think that).
Is it hard to understand Hitler the Anglo American phile was a better American than the guy who larped as Cesar and got half a million Americans killed in a war he started?
We all know this isn't the kind of, "Purity Spiraling," we're talking about. Come on. WigNats can't even agree on what kind of government they want. Some won't even associate with you if you fly the wrong flags. Many of them want to disbar people on incredibly spurious grounds like because they're felons which I have a huge problem with. Not every felon is a crackhead degenerate. Expecting every White man, given the state of our civilizations and culture, to be a paragon of virtue from birth is just ridiculous. Judge people by where they're at, not solely where they've been.
Then of course, there's the whole idea of what is, "White," and isn't. But I contribute to that plenty by being a Nativist.
Tiresomely pedantic quip at best, naive at worst—you don't just get to "transcend" right/left dialectic because you think it deserves loftier recognition as "racial" or "revolutionary". After all the r/l axis exists firmly on each pole's relationship to and belief in hierarchy, and your relationship/belief in racial hierarchy conclusively affirms your right-wing position. Same goes for NF, and anyone else in this sphere.
You can try and wrap it in $17 words and midwit philosophy to obfuscate your failure, but Not understanding the moral and practical objectives from the beginning is why you failed to get your analysis correct. However, that dog doesn’t hunt. It’s interesting how your analysis allows for your keyboard tapping but not practical action.
I did. Your inability to think outside your paradigm and recognize the argument isn’t my problem. And you don’t need my help wasting time, your article on the NF is proof of that
Three consecutive "you don't get it man" 's isn't an argument. You don't possess some higher esoteric understanding, you're a moron too stupid to even state a single position. Total idiot.
You're a cuck and a Deradicalizer. No, we're not going back in the bin. You're going to burn in Nuclear Fire when Israel Nukes The World because they didn't get enough Goyim Blood.
/pol/ is always right you Palantiri Theilite BUTTFAGGOT.
I agree in certain areas, and have come to heavily disagree in one area. I agree that deradicalization is necessary, but I wouldn't call it deradicalization. I would just call it living in reality. Not only have many in the scene come to hate the common white man, but those types effectively hate our own history as well.
Many will disagree, but I began to question the presupposition that the enlightenment was a totally bad thing. That seems to be something that's taken as Gospel in most of the dissident right. But I'm not so sure anymore. After all, it gave us nationalism, and further more, this eventually lead to racialism. I guess that also ties into the dichotomy between reactionary politics and progressive politics. Unfortunately, pro-white politics has a connection to reactionary politics. I think this is also a big part of what holds white nationalism back. Racialism is actually a very historically new idea. So I think we also need to do more to distance ourselves from conservative politics. We need to be forward-looking. We also just need to curb anti-social behavior. Too many losers and low-lives in this movement. We need high quality people.
I should clarify, when I say progressive, I obviously don't mean leftism. Nothing the left has done in the last 80 years can be considered progressive in any meaningful sense.
To attempt to be brief about my one disagreement, I don't see anything wrong with making fun of JD Vance for having an Indian wife. Sure the southern border situation is marginally better, but remember, they don't want to stop immigration. They just want less illegal immigration. Like I said earlier, I agree broadly on purity spiraling, but if there is one single political issue that we should be unwavering on, it's immigration. No compromise on this issue at all. So we have every reason to demand more from the administration here. More deportations, complete shut off of immigration from every third world country.
Americans owe our entire existence and the success of our country to the implementation of Enlightenment and Pre-Enlightenment ideals. Any American who is buying into some weird Maistrean, "Rousseau is Gay," line is totally disconnected from his patrimony.
Good essay. I just don’t get why you conflate people who are disaffected with Trump/vance with the nazi puritans at the bitter end. Buying a billboard because Trump supports h1bs and mass legal immigration doesn’t make one a northwestern front freak, nor does recognizing that sealing the southern border is not the pinnacle of recovering a sovereign nation - especially because of the former point - sealed borders are good but there’s more to immigration than just sealing the border without a wall that was supposed to already be up.
I want you to know I made a profile on this platform because of this article and so I could comment.
I recently rediscovered NWF through a chance conversation with someone. But he called it the, "Butler Plan," and I was totally unaware of it by that name or anything to do with the, "plan," besides the NWF being some kind of like Oregonian White Nationalist thing. Once I saw their tricolor I recognized it immediately. I've spent like a week going through their material, listening to old RFNW broadcasts. I found the general thesis nice and the ideas plausible. But slowly I discovered there was... no one to even speak to about this. I'd even push back on some of your claims about what NWI is and is not just based on the literature, but maybe what they wrote and what they did IRL was two totally different things and you do seem to know more than me about the ins-and-outs.
At my core I'm a Southern Nationalist. I love my people and my home, warts and all. The idea of abandoning that only quite recently began to appeal to me for a few reasons that are complex and personal, not rooted in any distaste for my actual blood-and-soil whatsoever. But among other things I'm also preferenced toward the 17th-19th century political philosophy concerning Republicanism and all the Classical influences on that. As an American Nationalist raised in a very, well, "Unreconstructed," background, it blows my mind that these WigNats who LARP as National Socialists don't understand how White Americans who agree with them 99% of the way have a serious patriotic hang up with dressing up as people who tried to kill their grandpas (who were probably the most based people they ever actually knew) during a war that is going to go down in history as a high-point in our catalog of martial feats, to say nothing of the idea of giving up on Democratic government to be lead by... who, exactly?
Reading how this all turned out for these guys it's rather painful to see that the same problems young guys like me experienced with the movement are over fifty years old and didn't begin with the internet age, but it's also strangely comforting.
But all that being said, you might've saved me from investing time and energy into a rather dead-end idea - more than I already spent at least. After reading your other works - especially your take on vulgar antisemitism - I am glad to meet and see people like you in our corner of things. Sensible stuff you've got going on, keep up the great work. I also think your take on this NWF situation is also very spot-on.
A good post but its too little too late, and somewhat ironic.
I had made a post on my old account titled:
“Spiritual parasitism in radical politics and the inevitability of self-actualization in the current condition”, and I’ll take some material from it to facilitate my thinking here.
Its no coincidence that a very easily held and “intuitive” ideology would have these problems. For most of them, it’s sobering to realize that sharing a racist ideology is actually quite a small element of a persons character and worldview. That by and large they have utterly nothing in common with another aside from agreeing that the white race is superior/in trouble/needs to return to a more dignified way of living. Thats a very small and dull thing to share, and it’s evidential that the political sphere here functions very similarly to something like organized crime. It’s not coincidental that a lot of white nationalist groups are weapon and drug traffickers, or otherwise carry out contract killings, etc. A very small minority of them are really well rounded, psychologically adjusted, they have cultivated nothing in terms of character or nobility, so and so forth. It’s also worth noting that because of its illicit nature, they repeatedly fail to market it as an alternative to any prevailing liberal consciousness and are alienated in the process. This is usually because they have abdicated conventional common-sense ethics and have made themselves isolated from the common person and their daily existence. Its why it repeatedly loses out to regressive forms of liberalism or american “conservatism”. As sectionalism puts it, it’s a “secret” or double life, and ultimately it ends up being this vain attempt at projecting a fantasy onto the world.
The causes and conditions for fractioning is really in respect to whats already been noted, and to the fact that by its nature it requires elitism and exclusion. In any “right wing circle”, there is always more infighting between them than “victories” out in the world, and a major reason why is that for most of them, white nationalism is a hobby, something they can take or leave when they become entrenched in another ideology or analysis that is more esoteric or whatever. I notice that there is a very low window for satisfying the power process, which usually includes meeting up with another, wearing skull masks and giving roman salutes in group photos. Holding flags. Maybe reading a certain kind of book or news pamphlet. Lifting weights, etc. Making it much more easy to abandon when this sort of thing loses its novelty. This also plays into the question of what there really is to do about the situation other than to do what is expected of us anyway, which is to have children and a family. I think it goes to show that in particular its a terrible alternative to Christianity as a factor in fostering collectivism, as its an inorganic association thats usually developed through online information and aestheticized ideals. Every single one of them want to be a based hyperborean paramilitary chad and hitlers top guy that has overman morality, and usually the medium they receive these notions from is commercialized and memetic.
I have a hard time seeing this as a reliable medium to foster a new flourishing culture or civilization.
I think that it takes a certain type of person who’s usually not neurotypical to be interested in it, autism being the most regular quantitatively speaking, but also includes other kinds of personality disorders. We saw on the app people that were groomed by death cult ideologies to commit murder, and on one recent occasion, a conspiracy to kill a child in the womb using a schizophrenic teenager as a proxy. These groups naturally break apart whenever one of them gets their first “high paying” job, or a girlfriend or whatever, leaving behind their parasocial comrades because it’s now beneath them. This or they get cold feet because one of them gets arrested or otherwise ends up in a position which could endanger everyone else. If I can remember correctly a few of them on the app actually blabbed to journalists like VICE. The dull bullying already found in these circles doesn’t help either.
“See ya later, I don’t need to be a resentful and violent loser online because I’ve achieved the bare minimum criteria for worldly success!”
This is usually followed up by kissing up to the current system and demeaning their previous circle for being so extreme, once they have theirs they totally lose drive to facilitate their worldview even if they still accept it as true. This is because revolutionary attitudes are motivated by suffering and urgency, and once those conditions are removed at least individually, they have no reason to collectivize. This is seen in the rhetoric of “taking back whats ours”, “returning to X”, or some other idea of victimization by the current order, but as you note in this piece, the 20th century fascist movements rose out of similar direness. It’s telling how many of these people are motivated by misery and misfortune, envy, anger and blame, and how they deeply invest into white nationalism because they think it will liberate them from this.
On one occasion I was called “self-preserving” and “weak” for not adopting national socialism as a religion and choosing something else, but I feel like I have little to gain from involving myself intimately with people that are in a dangerous, relatively modern occult movement. I don’t really know how a white movement will actually collectivize unless the suffering and poverty becomes so unbearable that its the only choice out of necessity, and I think thats this applies to sociality generally in the west. Frankly I don’t want to see it get that bad, for there to be any real and serious war or upset.
Unless there is an entirely new religion that accounts for every echelon and variation of white people, wignatism will remain a meme and eventually a commercial product much like Christianity has become currently.
The same factors which motivate loneliness and the decay of the traditional family unit are the same that cause political disunion, which is the material independence that liberalism and industrial democracy provides. In some senses I feel that even this post itself might be motivated by something similar. Forget just religious differences or some other area of contention, at this point it’s just a matter of bare material benefits as a condition for supremacy over the “rest”.
Some might run into inheritance and begin obnoxiously larping as an aristocrat, speaking down to other whites they find to be lowly, typically, those who work blue collar jobs or who weren’t born into wealth. Maybe they make posts and tweets about how white trash is just as bad and undesirable as minorities are, and that really, they’re just elitists unconditionally. There is never any solidarity or cultivation of virtue, no principles, kinship, it’s just a fad that gives them egoic gratification or freedom from ideas of inferiority. There is always material in every category of life for these groups to make use of to distinguish themselves as superior to another. Whether in terms of ideas, genetics, money, or even the fact that they’re currently not suffering from some such misfortune. Thats really the whole theme here, and it’s epitomized the most by the “Who’s White?” game that is played endlessly. By and large it’s to be expected from people who are deeply submerged in irony, trolling, gore, “offensive” humor, shock porn and a general memetic consciousness. Where humor and irony begin and end is lost to them, and they will turn on you over the slightest disagreement and are ruled by neuroticism. I also think that white people in general already being extrinsicized, individualistic and industrious, makes for many political participants that are solipsistic and narcissistic. The point being is that few of these people are worthwhile associates and have little ability to enfranchise you outside of giving you insight into niche elements of the “hobby”.
No one who’s cultivated any merit in life wants to be aligned with people that have nihilistic ideas about right and wrong, who are consequential or lower themselves to an animal-like consciousness of panic and hatred. Who are obsessed with war, brutality, and other kinds of anti-social ideas. Moral qualities are associated strongly with aesthetic ones metaphysically speaking, and that while nationalism is certainly apart of modernity’s solution, the form we see it in is hideous and not something I want to be involved with. I have learned the hard way that allowing these people into your life is a dangerous mistake, and that its nearly impossible to befriend them. That making “friends” on political lines is like making friends in a corporation or business, they are transactional and can injure you if the going gets tough. Any time that I’ve motivated them to actually cultivate a worthwhile personality or character outside of absurd, provocative and violent tropes I’m always rebuked and viciously insulted. I tried to not make this comment look like one huge complaint, but I find that white nationalism isn’t something thats really practical in daily life and that I tend to only think of it in rarified circumstances. I find that its filled with bizarre, libidinal and disagreeable people, and that the spectrum of its application can extend to various forms of materialism and social darwinism, Paganism, “Christianity”, Hinduism, Satanism or other Occult spiritualities. I find that creating a community with potential to endure is better founded on spiritual and ethical principles rather than material political motivations. In that way it’s become somewhat irrelevant and in the periphery, a subconscious casual racism. I don’t see this changing unless there is some kind of larger spiritual revival or centralization in the future, or just as a feature of the apocalypse that’s said to be coming.
If you are going to invite people to move somewhere, you really need some sort of established powerbase in the target location. ideally someone in the justice system, like a higher ranking police officer, or someone in the DA's office, or even a judge if you're lucky. It's really just silly to think people will move somewhere because if they ALL move there everything will be good. Prisoner's Dilemma is not exactly esoteric knowledge.
There are a growing number of intelligent people who understand this. The days of “we can do everything by our selves through sheer brute force” being the prevailing RW game-plan are coming to an end.
This whole history with NWF is kind of a reaffirmation of why I gave up on big-tent, race-orientated solutions.
The comparisons the NWTI writers make of themselves to the Pilgrim Fathers are most amusing to me. They were all NW Euros of course, but they also absolutely were unified on questions of doctrine and the kind of government they wanted. They knew all of that before the Mayflower was ever chartered. They were a generational product of a specific theology and a centuries-long concoction of genetics and historical forces. You cannot possibly hope to just recreate that in random people who only agree on, "I don't like living around non-Whites."
My plan is based around my family and my church - as in the one I actually attend, not some Federal Vision nonsense or even an institution. You have to start somewhere and it baffles me that Neo-Nazis can't look at the historical example of Uncle and all his friends and realize that violently forcing people to change into something they don't want to be, literally, never works. Human beings will as a rule do anything before they let themselves be bossed around, especially Northwestern Europeans.
I know some people are going to soyrage over "deradicalize" because they think it means throwing away your beliefs, but the purpose of NS was never to be the most radical. If you want to be the most radical, stop showering and become a black schizophrenic fentanyl addict, you can't get more radical than that. If your goal is instead to save your country no matter what, then you are going to have to start liking some of your countryman. Liking people is genuinely hard, because of how far gone most people are and on some level I still want the apocalypse option, but with zero signs of a civil war brewing in our life time (at least on true pro-white grounds) I think we have no choice but to get away from the violent retard image the purity spiraling right has been cultivating. I saw some groyper shot his parents in Wisconsin because he was going to try to kill Trump and "save the white race" how do you save the white race by killing 3 white people?
There's a difference between being, "principled," and being a, "radical." A lot of these young guys just have the distinction wrong because they're too young to mature or haven't lived a life much beyond their computers.
That supposed Groyper was actually a follower of BAP and RFH. The Palantiri are the ones creating the Shooters to force Deradicalization.
To be clear you don't support hard hitting Aryans blowing up shopping malls full of mudsharks? You're fucking Jewish man. Only Jews wouldn't be cool with that
Neat swing and a miss there Fedboi Glownigger; but you know just as well as I do the only thing I want is for you fed-faggots to get me a ticket to Jerusalem so I can force Israel to Launch The Samson Option Early.
Shalom, ZOG sends it's regards!
Lol, Nigger you read @Second City Bureaucrat, along with Costin himself; you’re a fucking BAPist and you know that this shooter was conned into it by your Palantiri Thiel-Faggot Groupchats on Elon’s Website.
Death To The Media Marketeers! Death To The Palantiri!
Oh lmao you were being serious ok well I've listened to ~120 episodes of Caribbean Rythms and BAP has never once told me to kill my parents or Trump, so maybe it was something else?
Nah, you're avoiding the shit because it's known to you, just like all the O9A Infiltration and subversion in those circles.
For an ideology so taboo as National Socialism, it was pretty much impossible in the pre-internet era for a movement centered around it to result in anything but disaster. The amount of lumpens outweighs the amount of intellectually curious dissidents enough for the former to comprise the bulk of self-identifying Nazis. They are interested in it because they're disagreeable and misanthropic, but most of them would have a hard time even giving you a consistent definition of National Socialism that doesn't float off into vibe-world. An ethnostate of these "Wignats" would possibly be as dysfunctional as Black Africa, not because of the failures of Nazism but because of the lack of human capital. But people would interpret it as the product of Ideology.
I think today, with the internet, it is less of a problem. Nazis went from being seen as blond beasts with thick accents and combovers, to tatted up meth-addicted prison skinheads, to edgy teenagers. People are easier exposed to taboo information on the internet. There's still a lumpen element in the radical scene, but most people come into the far-right because they got "redpilled". But this is both a blessing and a curse, because the online right-wing space has basically taken that position of fantasy world that hypothetical post-apocalyptic ethnostates. Social media is basically an MMORPG at this point. Being racist online is a way a lot of guys like to wind down and relax after a long day at school or at the office. It allows for a lot more well-adjusted people to participate in far-right movements but makes real-world action less likely. You don't have to have nothing to lose anymore to get involved in these movements, you just have to be willing to live a bit of a double life.
Cavaliers have been forced to live a double life for over 300nyears, smh
Take the Roundhead Pill.
How dare you
If more British people would the UK wouldn't be where it's at now. Truth hurts.
Meh, so many things could be different
Exactly, most of these people don't know what historic National Socialism really was or is. They also would not enjoy living in such a state if they weren't an officer in the SS - even though they probably don't even meet the requirements to join, much less obtain rank. It's always amusing to me to see all these guys' PfPs are never some random German guy on the street in Berlin - it's always Rommel.
It also just absolutely stuns me that GLR and his types not only thought he could succeed but somehow didn't get murdered sooner. "I'm an American Nationalist guys I swear, wearing the uniform of the guys who just got done trying to kill all of us after declaring war on us actually makes me even MORE patriotic than your dads, brothers and friends who got killed in Operation Overlord!"
I only partly agree, but this is a great article and deserves to be seen. Of course, the Will Martins will hate it, but I understand the underlying message here.
That's because you're Squeamish and Cucked.
No, it's because I understand the nine noble virtues, unlike most modern Whites who are more like yourself, just not jew aware. Lazy, depressive, and useless to everyone. Can't have a family, can't work in an organization, and struggles to live virtuously.
You'd get destroyed, Will. You are barely even a martin, with all your naysaying. Be more realistic, and have some hope in yourself and your ancestors. You need to stop being so scared of the demiurge.
Great article. I have long been skeptical of the PNW movement, mainly because of what you said. They’re always talking about “the future”. Well, it is the future. It’s 2025, and they can’t even break even on migration numbers with non-whites on their home turf. When you point this out, there’s always a reflexive shart over “not doing anything to help”.
Question: You’re talking about (realistically) organizing: knocking on doors, being visible, presenting an acceptable public image. For the captured parts of the USG, isn’t this exactly what they want? They’re built to fight enemies that hold still long enough to be punched. Isn’t buying real estate and participating in local politics identifying yourself as the next punching bag? The PNW-types are rightly phobic of everything they do getting subverted by informants. Watdo?
Unless we enter an era that is entertained but unsuccessfully ushered by Trump/associates where the sum of the post-war institutions are wholly abolished, then political movement has to work within and upwards through these institutions. Safety from "the man" is far more likely within them. This is probably the most direct argument for internal nudging over revolutionary action
I'm directly involved in political activity. My racial opinions are known. I've never been treated the way the NWF guys say you will be. Maybe it's something they're doing - no no no, it's definitely ZOG.
The real trick is actually being acceptable and contributing to society positively, which frankly you can't find any of the Covington types who have ever done this. They're too good for actual public service work.
“Please be more judicious with your lives, and avoid the mistakes of priors.”
Okay but why would a failed playbook from decades ago not work in the modern day with an all encompassing security state and a more liberal population?
Why would it?
Nothing ever works Brezhnen. There is no peace with Buttfaggot Palantiri Shills.
"I am so smart and right wing guyz, we can't have purity spiraling even though it's worked splendidly for the left (minus this election) and the lack of it in the republican party has led to it's total bastardization." NW was retarded as no one is going to move somewhere to be poorer. Idk if Covington was all that as a writer, apart from you no one talks about him now, if he had any skills there'd probably be some sort of lasting legacy.
You can't be serious praising JD "I love fags, Israel, profited off my White trash family, hired Indian drug peddlers to rake in money to pretend to help their victims, and am such an Indiaphile I hired foreign slave labor" Vance. Trump is okay, better than Kamala and any of his opponents for sure, but he's steering us towards war with Iran and wants more legal immigrants, in full contradiction of his mandate. He could be held accountable, he does react to public opinion, but in your fake and gay world that's purity spiraling. Thus far he's doing a slightly better job than term one, but making the exact same mistakes as before. Also anyone who follows him is probably going to be trash. I can't wait until you're writing "why the far right must embrace Rubio and responsible endless immigration," because you will. There's no hate for the common man, just the people who abuse their trust, and the middlemen who either due to profits or astronomical retardation want to pretend everything is fine. "People will call me a grifter or a Jew!!1" Then stop acting like those things? You can't pretend to be far right while complaining about the far right and praising MIGA at the same time. You can maybe do one at a time, but to do both makes people thinking you're a grifter understandable. You can't complain about nuking the Pentagon in a fictional story without people reasonably thinking you're Jewish.
Purity spiraling isn't merely a broad category of a pressuring or criticism of ideological peers, as stated in the article, this is just politics, and normal to the formulation of any group or ideology. Again, as stated in the article, it is a specific type of social dynamic involving moral outbidding, where a contest of indicating oneself as the "most pure" is the object of concern.
Let's look at you specifically for a good example of the difference. In normal politics or "pressuring", the parties involved remain cohesive, structuring itself internally in the search of a number of pathways to achieve the desired goal. When purity spiraling occurs, we get you: "JD Vance Indian wife. I'm out. Youre Jewish." You have successfully signaled your moral virtue, and fractured as a result. The only thing accomplished is precisely that object of desire: the assertion of your purity.
And so the rest of the article flows nicely with you as an example. You will inevitably flee to some niche far-right circle, only to find they don't quite have it right either. Either they're too impure, or you not pure enough. Out. Find a new one. Repeat. More anger. More bad experiences. That's it! We need more purity. Repeat. Over and over.
I think you should reread the article again and think about the problems detailed in it before gnashing your teeth and running right into the very brick wall it warns you to avoid.
Again, the left has done it to great success, the right has not to great failure. You openly oppose holding leadership accountable, not the definition you just used.
If you won't set a standard where you say "no, I will not be ruled by someone like JD Vance who hates Whites and opposed MAGA in 2016, who employed the people who abused his own family to make a profit" then you're unimaginably retarded, or indeed a grifter who wants to profit off of the destruction of Whites. Either way you aren't a quarter as clever as you like to think you are.
"Erm read my article again, it'll really make you think about how we should accept people who hate us as leaders, having standards means you want to splinter from ghouls." How can you complain about some niche far right figures being hostile to apathetic normies, when the far right are the ones who have fought the most to bring their issues front and center? How can you then bitch about complaints against MIGA and JD Vance who hates these average people? I don't know why I ask, you'll have some excuse that ignores or justifies what you've written and you'll feel good about yourself for all the midwit writing you do. If it was 2000 you'd complain of Buchanan being a Nazi and that real right wingers needed to vote Bush if they knew what was good for them.
Just because the left "enjoys success" (do they?) despite suffering from purity spiraling does not mean they "have done *it* to great success". In spite of =/= because of, a fallacious leap.
Further, the left doesn't have a fractious form of purity spiraling like the right does. Where right-wingers knock heads and create new movements, left wingers are simply exiled. As a result there is only one type of leftism in the West, but an infinitude of right-wing factions. This is because of one simple thing: the left has control of virtually every institution. You can't "break away" and make new ones, exile is the only option. And so, rather than lose their access to patronage networks and the sort, they simply fall into line. The right has nothing like this.
Never have I advocated for "not holding leadership accountable". For the 3rd time, this falls under normal political activity.
What you are advocating for isn't just "holding Trump accountable", you aren't advocating for "another Buchanan". In fact, thats precisely the type of activity THIS article is advocating for. YOU are advocating for a White separatist state which secures its own destiny through large scale violence. Don't waste my time with bullshit language and motte/baileying.
Is America less White? Is gay marriage legal? Is baby murder normalized? Yes? I'd say their methods have succeeded then.
"Unorthodox leftists are exiled," so they purity spiral. I guess you could say the right does it too by breaking up but then the issue is we do it poorly, not that it's bad in general. After this great victory in 2024 we should be kicking out the fair weather friends, at the very least from positions of power. Not elevating rivals. Further the left survived their purity spirals in the 1960s which amounted more to breaking up rather than kicking people out. Although indeed they survive due to having institutions, the right refusing to narrow the big tent resulted in incomplete victories.
You argued that people couldn't criticize JD Vance, the guy who was anti MAGA in 2016, the guy who would sell his own family, or else it would be purity spiraling. If you're going to complain about criticisms of someone clearly hijacking the MAGA movement then it's laughable to act like you support any accountability.
Cries about logical fallacies, straw mans the fuck out of me. From the very beginning I said I disagreed with the NW plan. Like I said you're about a quarter as intelligent as you think you are. You've bitched about the far right, not Trump, I'm sure you care about holding him accountable. Surely critiquing Covington is more relevant now than Trump and not just empty noise, especially when your alternative to the ineffective Covington is to needlessly accept the unacceptable.
I'll say it again because it perfectly sums you up, you would have called Buchanan a Nazi in 2000 and demanded people voted for Bush. This is so you that to try and deny it would be about as rational as a transgender denying their biological sex.
I never said the left hasn't succeeded at anything. My statement that they have institutional hegemony insinuates exactly otherwise, doesn't it? I explicitly said that their success has little to do with a proposed effective utility of purity spiraling, and further, that their social dynamics are fundamentally different than what the right has or will ever have. It therefore can't serve as a model for a desirable operation of our own social dynamics, if that could even be "switched on" anyways.
Not even reading the rest of your retarded rambling because you're too stupid to even repeat back my position after it's elaborated to you in good faith 3 times.
JK Rowling who hates Whites and men is now a "right wing" icon due to only one side purity spiraling. When your opposition holds your positions, that's a success.
Your position is perfectly summarized as you would have called Buchanan a Nazi and demanded people voted for Bush in 2000. That's it, everything else is window dressing here, that's you at your core.
Your good faith article complaining about an unimportant dead man? Your good faith defense of the sickeningly corrupt JD Vance? Your good faith snide replies and straw manning me? Your good faith block that you couldn't even follow through with? Lmao btw.
You're fake and gay; SUFFAH. Violence is all that works and your cucked out bullshittery only serves the Jews because you take money from the BUTTFAGGOT Peter Thiel.
It would be more believable if you actually were capable of and actively promoting violence, rather than just half-heartedly nudging that it's the only way—but of course we can't go that way, because the federal agents
By the way I am one and if you promote violence to me I will give my contacts at floor 4 of the IDHEC a call and your life will be over
Lol, Nigger my life has always been over, but admitting that you're a Fed also takes the cake!
Tell your homies I said Saint Luigi Did Nothing Wrong you glownigger faggot.
The left hasn’t purity spiraled to “great success”. Democratic party leadership is desperately trying to appear as sensible moderates to oppose Trump while they get lambasted by their radicals for not being hardline pro-palestine, pro-child gender reassignment, etc. This sort of infighting is never good.
I believe I stated minus this election. Otherwise they came back far more radical and accomplished more of their goals by doing so in the 1960s.
I can say for a fact that you would not have voted for Buchanan because he wasn't an avowed National Socialist and doesn't think the WASPs sold out the White Race and actually enjoys America's political philosophy.
That's crazy because I did vote for Buchanan. I also don't think WASPs sold out the White race and many NS like Americanism, like Hitler himself.
So that's why he installed a Classical Republic and not a militant, expansionist dictatorship.
He also liked us enough to declare war on the US for the sake of Japan after telling them several times, "Leave those guys alone."
Many Federalists were opposed to Republicanism, most notably Hamilton. Washington was described as the first fascist by the Germans which isn't absurd. Germany was as expansionist as early America, if less so.
The US/FDR declared an unrestricted and unprovoked (according to the US navy and senate) naval war on Germany and Italy before Pearl Harbor (and before sending an ultimatum to Japan). The same FDR who argued that Germany declaring a provoked unrestricted naval war against the US was cause for war as defacto secretary of the Navy under Woodrow Wilson. FDR also occupied Greenland which was property of Axis Denmark and couped the Yugoslav government after it joined the Axis, to say nothing of lend lease, all of these are acts of war that Hitler ignored. Once we declared war on Japan he responded since Japan could not possibly hold out alone, even if ultimately not the best decision.
Having standards people have to meet and purity spiraling are not the same thing, don't be disingenuous.
I've been hating Trump and MAGA since the beginning. I knew what he was long before he began to show his hand this last term. But you can't deny it is at least comparatively positive to what we could've gotten instead.
I am once again unblocked by op lol. As described by him they are effectively the same as I recall, where criticism of Vance is somehow unacceptable, maybe I misremember but I don't care to reread this.
I agree though, even if Trump is imperfect he is vastly better to Obama, Clinton, Biden, and Harris.
Here's merely criticizing the constant pessimism of Far Right guys who are perpetually disconnected from on-the-ground political realities. For example, you guys actually think throwing Romans and dressing up as Wehrmacht will get you anything in the United States. You might as well suggest to Hitler that the NSDAP should've adopted Napoleonic French uniforms. Because that's the equivalent to what you guys do but have the gall to describe yourself as, "Nationalists," in any meaningful American context. I'm dead.
Yeah we have a right to be pessimistic about Vance. Lol dear zoomer, this is twice you have accused me of something that you're completely wrong on. I can not begin to tell you how on the ground I am and no duh obviously I'm not strutting in SS gear. Hitler was a better American than FDR and he wasn't an American, this may upset some but it is true.
Do you actually think someone from your camp is ever making it into National Politics? What other option was there, if you still want to engage in the lost cause that is DC? I actually work in politics. I can tell you flatly and I told everyone flatly in 2016, Trump was never going to fix the Fed and, "drain the swamp," because DC is a swamp. The last people that had the right idea about what to do with DC was the Army of Northern Virginia when it was trying to march there with an army. You can't fix it because it's not broken, it's working by design.
It's magical that someone who obviously believes in Blood-and-Soil thinks a German can be a, "better American," than someone who's family are Old Stock. How very Progressive of you.
You're a bundle of inconsistencies.
>Do you honestly think there can be positive change? I work in politics.
>Do you think Trump will fix anything (on a post where I made it clear I don't think that).
Is it hard to understand Hitler the Anglo American phile was a better American than the guy who larped as Cesar and got half a million Americans killed in a war he started?
"Purity Spiraling is when you have any basic standards and don't want literal homosexuals and racemixers in your movement, let alone Nation"
Btw nice Shitlib tactic of trying to link us to Terrorgram mass murdering schizos and calling us "American ISIS," real class act.
We all know this isn't the kind of, "Purity Spiraling," we're talking about. Come on. WigNats can't even agree on what kind of government they want. Some won't even associate with you if you fly the wrong flags. Many of them want to disbar people on incredibly spurious grounds like because they're felons which I have a huge problem with. Not every felon is a crackhead degenerate. Expecting every White man, given the state of our civilizations and culture, to be a paragon of virtue from birth is just ridiculous. Judge people by where they're at, not solely where they've been.
Then of course, there's the whole idea of what is, "White," and isn't. But I contribute to that plenty by being a Nativist.
It litrrally is though, Gildhelm endorsed voting for someone who's literally half nonwhite in Britain because they opposed Islamic Immigration
Far-right is always fringe. Until…
Agree.
Your analysis failed fundamental in that the neither HAC nor NF is right wing. They are explicitly racial and revolutionary.
Tiresomely pedantic quip at best, naive at worst—you don't just get to "transcend" right/left dialectic because you think it deserves loftier recognition as "racial" or "revolutionary". After all the r/l axis exists firmly on each pole's relationship to and belief in hierarchy, and your relationship/belief in racial hierarchy conclusively affirms your right-wing position. Same goes for NF, and anyone else in this sphere.
You can try and wrap it in $17 words and midwit philosophy to obfuscate your failure, but Not understanding the moral and practical objectives from the beginning is why you failed to get your analysis correct. However, that dog doesn’t hunt. It’s interesting how your analysis allows for your keyboard tapping but not practical action.
You're going to have to actually make an argument if you want to waste my time
I did. Your inability to think outside your paradigm and recognize the argument isn’t my problem. And you don’t need my help wasting time, your article on the NF is proof of that
Three consecutive "you don't get it man" 's isn't an argument. You don't possess some higher esoteric understanding, you're a moron too stupid to even state a single position. Total idiot.
You're a cuck and a Deradicalizer. No, we're not going back in the bin. You're going to burn in Nuclear Fire when Israel Nukes The World because they didn't get enough Goyim Blood.
/pol/ is always right you Palantiri Theilite BUTTFAGGOT.
I agree in certain areas, and have come to heavily disagree in one area. I agree that deradicalization is necessary, but I wouldn't call it deradicalization. I would just call it living in reality. Not only have many in the scene come to hate the common white man, but those types effectively hate our own history as well.
Many will disagree, but I began to question the presupposition that the enlightenment was a totally bad thing. That seems to be something that's taken as Gospel in most of the dissident right. But I'm not so sure anymore. After all, it gave us nationalism, and further more, this eventually lead to racialism. I guess that also ties into the dichotomy between reactionary politics and progressive politics. Unfortunately, pro-white politics has a connection to reactionary politics. I think this is also a big part of what holds white nationalism back. Racialism is actually a very historically new idea. So I think we also need to do more to distance ourselves from conservative politics. We need to be forward-looking. We also just need to curb anti-social behavior. Too many losers and low-lives in this movement. We need high quality people.
I should clarify, when I say progressive, I obviously don't mean leftism. Nothing the left has done in the last 80 years can be considered progressive in any meaningful sense.
To attempt to be brief about my one disagreement, I don't see anything wrong with making fun of JD Vance for having an Indian wife. Sure the southern border situation is marginally better, but remember, they don't want to stop immigration. They just want less illegal immigration. Like I said earlier, I agree broadly on purity spiraling, but if there is one single political issue that we should be unwavering on, it's immigration. No compromise on this issue at all. So we have every reason to demand more from the administration here. More deportations, complete shut off of immigration from every third world country.
Americans owe our entire existence and the success of our country to the implementation of Enlightenment and Pre-Enlightenment ideals. Any American who is buying into some weird Maistrean, "Rousseau is Gay," line is totally disconnected from his patrimony.
Good essay. I just don’t get why you conflate people who are disaffected with Trump/vance with the nazi puritans at the bitter end. Buying a billboard because Trump supports h1bs and mass legal immigration doesn’t make one a northwestern front freak, nor does recognizing that sealing the southern border is not the pinnacle of recovering a sovereign nation - especially because of the former point - sealed borders are good but there’s more to immigration than just sealing the border without a wall that was supposed to already be up.
I want you to know I made a profile on this platform because of this article and so I could comment.
I recently rediscovered NWF through a chance conversation with someone. But he called it the, "Butler Plan," and I was totally unaware of it by that name or anything to do with the, "plan," besides the NWF being some kind of like Oregonian White Nationalist thing. Once I saw their tricolor I recognized it immediately. I've spent like a week going through their material, listening to old RFNW broadcasts. I found the general thesis nice and the ideas plausible. But slowly I discovered there was... no one to even speak to about this. I'd even push back on some of your claims about what NWI is and is not just based on the literature, but maybe what they wrote and what they did IRL was two totally different things and you do seem to know more than me about the ins-and-outs.
At my core I'm a Southern Nationalist. I love my people and my home, warts and all. The idea of abandoning that only quite recently began to appeal to me for a few reasons that are complex and personal, not rooted in any distaste for my actual blood-and-soil whatsoever. But among other things I'm also preferenced toward the 17th-19th century political philosophy concerning Republicanism and all the Classical influences on that. As an American Nationalist raised in a very, well, "Unreconstructed," background, it blows my mind that these WigNats who LARP as National Socialists don't understand how White Americans who agree with them 99% of the way have a serious patriotic hang up with dressing up as people who tried to kill their grandpas (who were probably the most based people they ever actually knew) during a war that is going to go down in history as a high-point in our catalog of martial feats, to say nothing of the idea of giving up on Democratic government to be lead by... who, exactly?
Reading how this all turned out for these guys it's rather painful to see that the same problems young guys like me experienced with the movement are over fifty years old and didn't begin with the internet age, but it's also strangely comforting.
But all that being said, you might've saved me from investing time and energy into a rather dead-end idea - more than I already spent at least. After reading your other works - especially your take on vulgar antisemitism - I am glad to meet and see people like you in our corner of things. Sensible stuff you've got going on, keep up the great work. I also think your take on this NWF situation is also very spot-on.
A good post but its too little too late, and somewhat ironic.
I had made a post on my old account titled:
“Spiritual parasitism in radical politics and the inevitability of self-actualization in the current condition”, and I’ll take some material from it to facilitate my thinking here.
Its no coincidence that a very easily held and “intuitive” ideology would have these problems. For most of them, it’s sobering to realize that sharing a racist ideology is actually quite a small element of a persons character and worldview. That by and large they have utterly nothing in common with another aside from agreeing that the white race is superior/in trouble/needs to return to a more dignified way of living. Thats a very small and dull thing to share, and it’s evidential that the political sphere here functions very similarly to something like organized crime. It’s not coincidental that a lot of white nationalist groups are weapon and drug traffickers, or otherwise carry out contract killings, etc. A very small minority of them are really well rounded, psychologically adjusted, they have cultivated nothing in terms of character or nobility, so and so forth. It’s also worth noting that because of its illicit nature, they repeatedly fail to market it as an alternative to any prevailing liberal consciousness and are alienated in the process. This is usually because they have abdicated conventional common-sense ethics and have made themselves isolated from the common person and their daily existence. Its why it repeatedly loses out to regressive forms of liberalism or american “conservatism”. As sectionalism puts it, it’s a “secret” or double life, and ultimately it ends up being this vain attempt at projecting a fantasy onto the world.
The causes and conditions for fractioning is really in respect to whats already been noted, and to the fact that by its nature it requires elitism and exclusion. In any “right wing circle”, there is always more infighting between them than “victories” out in the world, and a major reason why is that for most of them, white nationalism is a hobby, something they can take or leave when they become entrenched in another ideology or analysis that is more esoteric or whatever. I notice that there is a very low window for satisfying the power process, which usually includes meeting up with another, wearing skull masks and giving roman salutes in group photos. Holding flags. Maybe reading a certain kind of book or news pamphlet. Lifting weights, etc. Making it much more easy to abandon when this sort of thing loses its novelty. This also plays into the question of what there really is to do about the situation other than to do what is expected of us anyway, which is to have children and a family. I think it goes to show that in particular its a terrible alternative to Christianity as a factor in fostering collectivism, as its an inorganic association thats usually developed through online information and aestheticized ideals. Every single one of them want to be a based hyperborean paramilitary chad and hitlers top guy that has overman morality, and usually the medium they receive these notions from is commercialized and memetic.
I have a hard time seeing this as a reliable medium to foster a new flourishing culture or civilization.
Cont.
I think that it takes a certain type of person who’s usually not neurotypical to be interested in it, autism being the most regular quantitatively speaking, but also includes other kinds of personality disorders. We saw on the app people that were groomed by death cult ideologies to commit murder, and on one recent occasion, a conspiracy to kill a child in the womb using a schizophrenic teenager as a proxy. These groups naturally break apart whenever one of them gets their first “high paying” job, or a girlfriend or whatever, leaving behind their parasocial comrades because it’s now beneath them. This or they get cold feet because one of them gets arrested or otherwise ends up in a position which could endanger everyone else. If I can remember correctly a few of them on the app actually blabbed to journalists like VICE. The dull bullying already found in these circles doesn’t help either.
“See ya later, I don’t need to be a resentful and violent loser online because I’ve achieved the bare minimum criteria for worldly success!”
This is usually followed up by kissing up to the current system and demeaning their previous circle for being so extreme, once they have theirs they totally lose drive to facilitate their worldview even if they still accept it as true. This is because revolutionary attitudes are motivated by suffering and urgency, and once those conditions are removed at least individually, they have no reason to collectivize. This is seen in the rhetoric of “taking back whats ours”, “returning to X”, or some other idea of victimization by the current order, but as you note in this piece, the 20th century fascist movements rose out of similar direness. It’s telling how many of these people are motivated by misery and misfortune, envy, anger and blame, and how they deeply invest into white nationalism because they think it will liberate them from this.
On one occasion I was called “self-preserving” and “weak” for not adopting national socialism as a religion and choosing something else, but I feel like I have little to gain from involving myself intimately with people that are in a dangerous, relatively modern occult movement. I don’t really know how a white movement will actually collectivize unless the suffering and poverty becomes so unbearable that its the only choice out of necessity, and I think thats this applies to sociality generally in the west. Frankly I don’t want to see it get that bad, for there to be any real and serious war or upset.
Unless there is an entirely new religion that accounts for every echelon and variation of white people, wignatism will remain a meme and eventually a commercial product much like Christianity has become currently.
The same factors which motivate loneliness and the decay of the traditional family unit are the same that cause political disunion, which is the material independence that liberalism and industrial democracy provides. In some senses I feel that even this post itself might be motivated by something similar. Forget just religious differences or some other area of contention, at this point it’s just a matter of bare material benefits as a condition for supremacy over the “rest”.
Some might run into inheritance and begin obnoxiously larping as an aristocrat, speaking down to other whites they find to be lowly, typically, those who work blue collar jobs or who weren’t born into wealth. Maybe they make posts and tweets about how white trash is just as bad and undesirable as minorities are, and that really, they’re just elitists unconditionally. There is never any solidarity or cultivation of virtue, no principles, kinship, it’s just a fad that gives them egoic gratification or freedom from ideas of inferiority. There is always material in every category of life for these groups to make use of to distinguish themselves as superior to another. Whether in terms of ideas, genetics, money, or even the fact that they’re currently not suffering from some such misfortune. Thats really the whole theme here, and it’s epitomized the most by the “Who’s White?” game that is played endlessly. By and large it’s to be expected from people who are deeply submerged in irony, trolling, gore, “offensive” humor, shock porn and a general memetic consciousness. Where humor and irony begin and end is lost to them, and they will turn on you over the slightest disagreement and are ruled by neuroticism. I also think that white people in general already being extrinsicized, individualistic and industrious, makes for many political participants that are solipsistic and narcissistic. The point being is that few of these people are worthwhile associates and have little ability to enfranchise you outside of giving you insight into niche elements of the “hobby”.
No one who’s cultivated any merit in life wants to be aligned with people that have nihilistic ideas about right and wrong, who are consequential or lower themselves to an animal-like consciousness of panic and hatred. Who are obsessed with war, brutality, and other kinds of anti-social ideas. Moral qualities are associated strongly with aesthetic ones metaphysically speaking, and that while nationalism is certainly apart of modernity’s solution, the form we see it in is hideous and not something I want to be involved with. I have learned the hard way that allowing these people into your life is a dangerous mistake, and that its nearly impossible to befriend them. That making “friends” on political lines is like making friends in a corporation or business, they are transactional and can injure you if the going gets tough. Any time that I’ve motivated them to actually cultivate a worthwhile personality or character outside of absurd, provocative and violent tropes I’m always rebuked and viciously insulted. I tried to not make this comment look like one huge complaint, but I find that white nationalism isn’t something thats really practical in daily life and that I tend to only think of it in rarified circumstances. I find that its filled with bizarre, libidinal and disagreeable people, and that the spectrum of its application can extend to various forms of materialism and social darwinism, Paganism, “Christianity”, Hinduism, Satanism or other Occult spiritualities. I find that creating a community with potential to endure is better founded on spiritual and ethical principles rather than material political motivations. In that way it’s become somewhat irrelevant and in the periphery, a subconscious casual racism. I don’t see this changing unless there is some kind of larger spiritual revival or centralization in the future, or just as a feature of the apocalypse that’s said to be coming.